I made this thread in order to discuss many of the adult related issues discussed on television programs such as "Larry King Live", "Anderson Cooper 360°", "The Situation Room", as well as any other of the many news stories related to politics, international issues, or conflicts worldwide.

Feel free to speak your mind on the issues that affect your world!!!

;)

has anyone been following this story?

"Youssif, a 5-year-old who was badly burned in Iraq by masked men, has traveled more than 7,500 miles with his family to get help."

Poor Kid

@curious
Where is this child receiving medical treatment?

"Shortly after Youssif's story aired Wednesday, the Children's Burn Foundation -- a nonprofit organization based in Sherman Oaks, California, that provides support for burn victims locally, nationally and internationally -- agreed to pay for the transportation for Youssif and his family to come to the United States and to set up a fund for donations."-CNN

http://www.cnn.com/2007/US/11/29/youssif.surgery/

@curious

I was going to make a political statement, however, I thought better of it. I am very pleased to hear that this young boy will receive the finest care anywhere!

Thankyou for the update

http://www.cnn.com/2007/HEALTH/12/24/youssif.surgery/index.html

http://wordpress.com/tag/youssif/

10:45pm That`s good ,but so many more are not going to get help.What it`s going to take to end all the pain over there ?

I wish I knew

Unfortunately World War 3.

@nog

Thanks for the link!

11:03pm WEll you hear about the speed boat `s around usa battle group ! think it was a set up if you hear the tape it`s on line

11:15,I've seen it on TV all week.Remind me of the USS Cole.Who do you believe? Propaganda or real threat?

@nog

I believe they are actively persuing confrontation with any non Fundamentalist Muslim State.

define (non fundamentalist Muslim State)!
for lot's of ppl, it's enough just being a muslim to b automatically considered as a dangerous fundamentalist!

@fozz,
Who, are they?
The whole thing has gotten out of hand.I believe any sovereign nation has a right to protect themselves no matter what their beliefs are.The rest I have to say would be deeply political.To much for this venue.

12:01am Propaganda Some one trying too start some thing

12:04,james I agree with you.

12:12am it will be the end of us all if it starts

Wish there was another planet to go to.It depresses me so.

12:21am yes me too the hope is fading away !Thing are Some times badest before the dawn ?

@fattoush;@nog

Respectfully Submitted:

I believe that there are radical elements in the Muslim movement in Afganistan, Pakistan, Iraq, Saudi Arabia, Malaysia.

I was referring to in my previous comments the non majority Muslim sovereign Nations such as France, Spain, Germany, UK, USA and Canada in the news!

Sovereign Nations like Iran are heading for and bent on destroying moderate thought & freedom of religion; freedom of religion does not exist.

Iran has been promoting & funding all kinds of terrorist groups in the MiddleEast Lebanon & Iraq.

I don't know of any other extremist groups alive today that pack C4 and ballbearings, killing themselves, even of their own faith.

Until now have not even mentioned the 9/11 incidents, London train & Spain train terrorist incidents.

@fattoush

I don't connect the Muslim faith with dangerous fundamentalism, just as I don't connect it to christianity or other religions to same.

After all who cares what a bear thinks about this anyways!

Fozzy

By they you meant radical elements,these have existed for 700 or so years.And more so in the last hundred because of oil,greed.Same old story,the haves and the have nones.Power and oil rule that part of the world,and now ours.
Radical elements spring out of the injustice these people face every day.This has been their voice for the time.

1:15am bump right bump

@jameshowson
There is no need to bump this thread at this moment. Wait until it gets lost.
P.S. if you want to bump more threads look around the old threads and if you find anything will be useful bump it back to the top.

@nog

I agree the haves and have nones! Oil does generate big business (supply and demand) See Alberta, Canada experience for eg.

The talk of bumping was raised I'm not sure why since it is on the topic thread for the moment anyways and in response to the USS Cole incident etc....

In this General discussion group there may be from time to time issues that are hot buttons, which will stimulate debate, in the end help us grow!

@NIP
I think if you want to, you can get fundamentalistic with every religion of belief.
And christians have their dark past, too. Just think of the crusades. But no matter what was done before, there is never an excuse for terrorizing people, no matter the reasons.

@julinee

I agree, no excuses!

12:05am that was just a my way of saying he was right
but you are right too .If you get to deep with or go right wing,or left can get people fired up was just trying to be middle road? (safe) my views on oil,gas,war are quess better left off here not happy the way _ _ _ is running the war? if you get me ?

This has nothing to do with muslims or any other religion. WW2 was the Jews, now the muslims are getting a bashing and so is christianity.

This is all about the new world order, one world government and total slave population. RFID chips, ID cards with bio data, police states, CCTV, traffic/speed cameras, false flag operations and now the "global" recession.

It's all designed to create fear to manipulate you all into doing what you're told so you don't think for yourselves. Iraq is nothing more than a control of oil and a money maker for the weapons industries. Bush has literally bankrupted the USA, yet he and his cronies will do ok out of this.

Bushes Grandfather was part of the machine that financed Hitler during WW2. The Bush family are actually friends and business partners of the bin laden family.

It's all a scam. wake up, break free.

Rant over... :-)

@extralien this i know wish more did !!!!Some day we will but what will be left ?

not much if things continue

Good to meet some one who sees what`s really going on.

I'm the black sheep of my family. I've questioned almost everything from an early age. Long term rebel is me. I even left the UK due to how bad it's getting there. You can't move without being watched or suspected.

@extralien black sheep? LOL i doubt you just making trouble yourself is..

only trouble i got into was standing up for myself after being constantly bullied cos your dads a copper.

@extralien oh poor your not alone.. on earth everyone has its own story and your is common but what is important now is your picking up yourself out from that tragic..with your dad

oh it goes much deeper than that... but no need to go into it all here. point is, i've been more aware of things around me for a long time. not going to be led to the slaughter like a lot of others.

I'd rather die standing than live on my knees

@extralien we think the same yes? i think that sets me a part.

Yeah looks like we may think along similar lines james

@ extralien and we in Canada with the left wing loonies are buying into the not fighting and political correctness damn you cant even say merry xmas over here or where a cross but if you are muslim or some other religion we bend over backwards not to offend them we dont have our own culture any more and that is a muslim thing.

same is happening in the UK. government trying to disband the church of england right now.
and Canada and mexico got the problem with USA trying to make one super state.

help! us usa just trying own the planet well the upper few will own us all or kill us trying?

The North American Super State is something not in the best interest of working class Americans. The first objective was reached with NAFTA. The North American Free Trade Agreement goes back to the 1980's and the three countries agreed to unrestricted trade. As a result workers in the USA have not had raises in 30 years and the goal is to get the entire continent working for Mexican wages.
Our biggest supplier and paradoxicly our biggest competitor is China, with the advantage of still being a communist slave state they can undercut any free market. There are some classes now in the Super State who are working for Chinese wages. There is a class of itinerant workers in the USA who crowd into motel rooms or live in cars, many on the street. The homeless will work for any wage, their presence keep wages low and have helped destroy unions in the USA.
Like royalty there is a class of super rich who are moving to have us all live Chinese style and their only motivation as far as I can tell is that they think they are superior and are doing this because they can.
I think we are moving to a Christian vs Muslim world war. In the USA there is a large segment of Christians who can not wait for the final battle. They think Apocolypes is a good thing. The things that Americans are doing on purpose sicken me. Over 30 years ago Nixon called for energy independance but he was not in line with the super rich. The rest of the world drives small cars but Americans still buy boats, some of the biggest vehicles ever made are being made now for the USA and Canada. On my electric bill there is a check off to use renewable sources, if I check it my bill will go up.
I am 53 years old and I have been fighting for the same causes since I was a teenager. I was anti war and pro environment, I am personally sorry for the world you young people will inherit from us.

Thanks for your concern. I agree with you.

WOW NAFTA was bad there small but some good points to it .not many! the world( we or they) is here maybe, just around the corner?

I am an American,I feel that I have been raped by the Bush regime.Bush makes me ashamed to be an American.His administration and policies only benefit the profiteers,and the have mores.
Children in this country are living in cars and boxes,while Mexican illegals can get loans from banks to buy houses and new cars.Since 9/11 thousands of people in the US have been murdered by illegal aliens.
I am a child of the 60's,and the promise that was made by our leaders has been thrown in the trash.

in the uk i worry about our national health service. It isn't going to take the strain of immigrants from europe if they do not work or contribute through NI payments. I would hate to be in a position where one of my children needed a transplant and i either couldn't afford it or my insurance didn't cover it.

So from what i know and read we all are feeling the pain of our (don`t know how to put it ) Some thing has to give some day soon Can the world can keep this pain in
time to reset?

@jameshowson, I don't know but hope we do.

@singlew4, @nogds9, it is so rare to hear or to read people speaking about "the empty space on the glass of water" of there countries. It is a pity, because every country has good things and bad things. The International Press has a little of guilt in this matter and people as the Bush%u2019s and Blair%u2019s Administrations, don%u2019t help much. The only news that you see in the press about another countries (in Latin America, Africa, Middle East or Asia) are bad news. It's seems like countries as USA, Canada and England don%u2019t have injustice, hungry, healthcare problems and corruption, only good things.

Most of the problems in the world came from arrogance, money, religious and ethnic intolerance.

We are the same. We are neighbors. Each one of us needs the other. The GOD is the same, just has different names!

It's so simple... Why so difficult to understand?

Great discussion, at least this shows we can take a risk and speak from the heart.

We may be able to make a change in this world for our childrens-children sake!

Thankfully Bush can't run again, in my opinion he has been a poor choice for Americans and the world.

I guess if we want each of our respective countries to change it we must get involved.

because we , don`t trust ,don`t speak, can go on that`s not problem ! how do we stop ,start ,learn?
I am open tell me were to start it has to start or it`s going to stop .Anybody?

@singlew4, @nogds9, @jameshowson,

Seems we are the minority in the world...

Pardon me for a moment,luacheia,what does %u2019t mean?

not good ?

@noggds9,

"do not have injustice"

I do not know why sometimes the editor text makes this crap! Oh, God! I need of the possibility of edition of the text.

@luacheia,
Most news media here in US is owned by right wing interests.I have not heard the voice of the left,except in sound bites selected by the conservatives,used to make light of left wing interests.

@nogds9,

A thing I admire in you Americans. You can make a lot of bad things and make a mess as interfere in foreign countries policies but when a person like you has a voice, you do not have shame to admit the error and put all the crap in the media!
This weekend I was talking about it with friends. We went to see a movie, Rendition, with Jake Gyllenhaal, Reese Witherspoon, Meryl Streep. It is a good example!

@nogds9

Media is run by the right (Big Business) they claim they are the only real choice as they provide jobs and claim to provide a strong economy.

The left wing governments in Canada unfortunately have failed to achieve balanced budgets, except for Saskatchewan (thats the province to the east of Alberta)

They aren't getting it again indicators that the USA is in a recession.

Canada is next, there is a stall in the new housing market in Alberta, the big 4 automotive companies are going to be next with lay offs. CPI (cost of living index) will go higher, Interest rates will push upwards, Mortgage costs will go upwards!

That's is absolutely true, Big Business does provide a strong economy...for the rich!

so if you are part of that 2% of the population than you're probably doing quite well.

Just remember, you can't take it with you, so start spending it all on expensive cars/property, as well as Gold-digging, big breasted trophy lays while you can and don't forget to save some for your spoiled, arrogant children's drug rehab bills too ;)

@jameshowson,

It is good but we would have to be the majority and not the minority to change the future!

Every time we look around and think that the things will go better, appears an idiot like Hugo Chaves in Latin America, for example, to mess everything around!

@luacheia,
Why should I be ashamed to speak out against injustice.
Not everyone in the US has it that good.The state I live in is very poor,with the highest tax rate in US.

@fozzy,
welcome to the club.

nogds9. what state do you live in? I now live in Rhode Island, for previous 5 year I was in Nevada.

@singlew4,
Vacationland,only for the wealthy.
In case you've never seen our license plates,thats Maine,the land of lobsters and imported labor.

@nog

You Ferenges do have a sense of humour!

00:17 AM, I need to go sleep. Tomorrow I will be back! :-)

@nogds9, We have the same problem here. We pay a huge tax rate, one of the biggest in the world, without having a public services of quality.

Joining all the taxes, are direct or indirect, we finish paying 2/3 from what we receive from wage in taxes. Detail, here, the income tax taxes the wage as it was income!

I think most people can get along and in their hearts want to. The right wing and nationalists usually are the tools of big money and they have sway throughout the world these days.
These religious fanatics, Christian, Muslim, Jew are all dangerous. They are like druggies with guns on the streets. They are capable of every extreme and inhumanity because they think they have God in their hip pocket.
Isn't Rupert Murdock an Aussie, he has had one of the worst influences on the press. If the US and Oz were to have a war Rupe would probably be behind it to sell papers. Rupe brings to mind what really saddens me about my country, the USA, how bad the schools are and how much educational standards have dropped since I was a kid.
Ironically Bush backed a right wing program, No Child Left Behind. The result was chronic testing of kids to meet a certain standard and so that all the kids could pass the standards are spiraling down. I moved from New England to the southwest to be a teacher but out there in the bible belt the system is totally backward and 100 years behind the times and after 5 years we returned because my own kids were not learning anything.

We Ferengies are not accustom to the cold as are your species.By the way,what are you doing up this time of year?Did the Breen offer you latium for your chilly den?

@nog

Wait I'm still trying to understand the last comment!
Bear with me please!

I thought Vacationland was referring to the 25% unemployment rate.

The Rich are the true minority, but they succeed by working to keep the rest of us down, but what you got to realize is that they need us in order to have money or power, they need us to build for them, to produce for them, to clean, to fight their wars, to rape and pillage for them, by themselves they are nothing and they know that which is why it is so important for them create feuding masses, to divide people by race, culture, beliefs. If the masses are too busy overworking so that they can barely support there families, if they are undereducated so that they become blind and powerless, and when they become enraged by their own ignorance and longing they lash out against each other while the Power Elite remains unseen and unscathed. What the people need is to open there eyes to the truth, there is strength in numbers and if we ever want to make our world a better place for ourselves as well as our children than we must do what our forefathers once did when faced with a similar dilemma in the former colonies and take a stand!

@singlew4,
Religion is the smokescreen,profit is the goal.
Something we Ferengi have a lot of experience with.
Profit is our religion.
Lets say religious fanatics are all dangerous,there are some in all religions,except Buddhism.
All social programs have suffered dearly during the republican eras,starting with Regan.

@singlew4,

And I thought this education level problem was exclusive of Brazil... :-) (Dark humor) :-(

Reading you, appears to me that I am reading myself.

We have the same program here and it is terrible!!!!
I am 46 years old and I had the same experience that you.

Different countries, same problems!

@nog

Democrat supporter

Who do you think will win this nomination?

Are some of you aware of the post September 11 law in the US called The Patriot Act? It is the removal of basic rights that the original revolution was fought for. In other words, Bush is the Talaban leader of the US.

@singlew4/@nog

The 2nd Ammendment is a very powerful contitutional statement made by the founders of your great nation!

Does the Patriot Act circumvent or alter the 2nd Ammendment? I have not read the latter.

yeah I'm pretty sure that those videos of Bin Laden were actually George W. in a turban, a wig, and a fake beard.

Notice that you never see them in the same place at the same time, quite Curious%u2122 isn't it??

@fozzy,I'm hoping for a democrat with moderate common sense and a heart for people,not profit.OMG,if Uncle should see this,he'll have my lobes on a platter with tube grugs.
@singlew4,re.post 15 hrs ago by extralien,this thread.

@courious,thanks for this thread,excellent!

The Patriot Act means they have read this and know where,and what we look like. What you don`t know can kill you,or put you in a deep dark hole for life where no one will know who,what you are.

Sheesh,I really wish that the forum was compatible with Windows ALT Key Code Symbols that above mess that looks like this "%u2122" should have been Trademark Symbol(TM)

as in CuriousAndroid(TM)

@fozzy,It has had no effect on the 2nd amendment,I've bought two assault rifles during this time with no waiting period.And clips for these rifles with any capacity I wanted.Funny thing,I bought a 22cal.S&W six shooter and had to wait 2 weeks for background check.

duck hunting?

@james,I've never killed an animal in my life,execpt fish with a fly rod.After 9/11 I thought it best to have some home protection.

that`s okay. but have you read the sat`s on weapon`s in a home ? As some one who knows about weapons i have to ask you are trained (please don`t take badly) know people who got weapons and did not know how to load them .

@james,
I worked for 4years making M16s and grenade launchers,and various other firearms.I am well trained in the handling of said firearms.I do not take the responsibility lightly.I live alone and have no children.I appreciate your concern.

That`s good.Some think just buy point and well you know the rest it scares me to think about it .So made m16 `s wow like to hear more about that quess don`t know you should change that soon .i`ll start in your gb if it`s okay?

@ nip there are extremest in every culture on this earth chyt in my opinion you have the crazy right wing bible thumpers who if they had there way no movies no dating no makeup for the woman no drinking not even socially bibel study every wed nite , then you have the radical Jewish factor not just Isirel but all over, hindus sihks budests and whatever other religion you can think of The wars and the terrorism will not stop as long as there is religion thru the ages that has been proven time and again. The so called Christians in the early late 1700 and early 1800s gave the native ppl blankets infected with small pox the first bio terror attack in history so lets everybody take a breath and stop labeling entire groups for a what mabye 100000 nut cases

cheers mates

@captain,please read this,it was not the US that infected the Indians it was the British.http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biological_warfare#The_18th_century

@nog

Always so technical, but still correct

I always though the smallpox thing was accidental, was it on purpose?

@wind both think

Talk about weapons in the home. I used to be a farmer and had a shot gun for crop protection. At one point I got rid of it because I had a lot of small kids and guns are an attractive nuisance.
We had a very horrible divorce (and I, the dad, got custody) but looking back I was glad I got rid of my gun.

'Nuf said.

Weapon`s are okay can be a good thing to have ! as long as you take the responsibility that means lock them up !trigger guards, case , know how !weapon`s don`t kill people do.my kids know what a weapon is that it`s not a toy ! it`s a weapon that can kill showed them so they know how ,why not to play not to point any weapon at a person.I think if you have a
Weapon should take trainning as part of buying it .just me ?

The only time a gun should be used is when its pointing towards dinner.

ALL media is a scam.

Why can people from all over the globe come together easily online, yet in the real world we kill each other over stupid things like religion.

When will humanity realise that we share this planet., we are all the same. We should all be able to travel, work and live freely with no restrictions.

Honest communication is something we have been taught not to do by the media and schools.

1984 is NOW!!!

The police state is rife..

This is What A Police State Looks Like..
http://www.blacklistednews.com/view.asp?ID=5266

Weapons should be for hunting but the world is full of sick ____ So some times you need a weapon you have kids ? I know about the Police state we are in .

alien, you bring up a point I have been pondering lately, the people who's first response to a situation is to lie about it. They do very well in politics and most salesmen have that same response.

james, in my home I do not allow gun toys but I allow guns. I turn back or throw away toy guns. I put it simply - Guns are not toys and toys are not guns. It is a disease in the US, 35,000 gun deaths a year. Instruction is a good idea but there is a powerful group in the US called the NRA who do not want any law to abridge gun ownership.
Richard Pryor said it is bullets that kill people and deaths could be cut significantly if bullets were five thousand dollars each.

Going to go now and look at a police state.

a gun is a toy. A weapon kills

A car is a weapon too, the way some people drive. But I don't think I agree that a gun is a toy.

@windsorboyd,
please read this article,it will answer your query:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Small_pox

@singlew4,It is people that kill people,not guns and bullets.Taking away guns does not stop murders,rapes,robberies and the other atrocities humaans are compatible of.It does make it easier to become a victim of these misfortunes.
I believe that all who own a gun should be educated in the use and safety of firearms.

as all ways @nogds9 well said well put !

did you know that all money is worthless. Money has not been backed by gold since 1970. The US dollar, for example, used to say that it was redeemable in gold. Today it just says 'legal tender'. Inflation is actually to do with the amount of money in circulation and the amount that needs to be minted. Price rises is not inflation, but is fed to us as though this is the case.

All money is loaned to all the banks and governments by the biggest international banks. It is these big banks that decide if we get a recession or not. Recessions are designed and have nothing to do with any other financial sectors.

All money loaned out is charged interest. This interest to be paid does not exist, so more money is minted and loaned out and circulated for the first loans to be paid back.

The federal reserve in the US is no more federal than federal express delivery company. The fed reserve is just a company..thats all.

If money did not exist, nobody would be poor. Money is one of the biggest lies we all live.

if there was no money it would be some thing else yes?
Money gold only has value because some one has said so! "true free trade"

@extralien,If money did not exist,we would be slaves.The ability to trade is as old as humaan kind itself.
Be it seashells,cattle,gold,food,ect.without trade you do not eat.
But I know what you are saying.Look at Saudi Arabia,oil resources owned by a couple of families and the rest of the country abject slaves to the wealth of those families.Is there any wonder that most of the 9/11 terrorists came from said country.

@nogds, Most of the 9/11 terrorists are still alive and had absolutely nothing to do with attacks in any way.

I am amazed the amount of people who truly believe that after two aircraft exploded on impact, which made the concrete of the towers turn to dust as it collapsed, yet the authorities were able to find a paper passport of one of the 'terrorists'.

One fire fighter was quoted as saying that there was nothing left. The biggest item he found was half of a numberpad for a telephone.

So how a passport survived a fireball and a building collapse which had fires in the basement with an approximate temperature of 2000 degrees.

Not to mention the missing gold.. and WTC7 collapse which was reported live on TV to have collapsed 20 minutes before it actually did..And the fact that one person owned WTC 1 2 and 7.

Add to that that the twin towers were actually designed to withstand multiple aircraft hits, and that they are the only towers in history to have collapsed from fire.

Something wrong with all of that. Money, in todays society, is what keeps us as slaves. If yo could use the barter system, you could travel the world freely. With money, you are obliged to work for it to be able to have a few weeks holiday a year (if you're lucky). You're literally forced to buy into a corrupt system that itself is abused by those who control it.

Most of our parents have spent most of their lives working to pay off a mortgage on their home. What a scam. We are born into this world through no choice of our own yet we are expected to follow the herd and do as we are told.

The freedom of choice was taken away from you the moment you became completely aware of your surroundings and had the ability to fully remember each day.

the gold was removed before the lets call it an attack
and one bluilding that was not hit ?
Don`t what to open asore but the fact are the facts
smoke can only hide so much should see the video have to look for it as it`s not or will ever be on tv!

@ nog naglila I realize it was the British but at that time so were you mate That was before 1776 before you war of independence as I said a lot of evil things done in the name of god

cheers
ahfa

name the name of god more evil has been done after saying that the dark ages anybody read" the dark side of Christian " some thing like that been awhile .It gives a full account of things .

@extralien,

Unhappily, I do not have the documentary that passed in the Discovery Channel. In this special, several structural technicians, companies of civil construction specialized in high buildings, the architect who projected the building and the designers of the building, argue widely the why the collapse of the building. First, in contrast of what you said, the building was not projected with resistance for an impact of a Boing with full gasoline tanks. Beyond the impact that almost cut the building in two parts, the building was conceived with the center closed with modular plaster walls. During the impact all gasoline in flames went down trhu this %u201Ctunnel%u201D knocking down the walls and invading the intermediate techno floors, making the steel columns lose the structural resistance, modifying the center of physical force of the building. The weight of the superior floors together with this structural weakness of the columns knocked down the building. This is the reason of the building to go down straight-line. It did not have error technician or recklessness. Simply the structural conception of the building foresaw earthquake, some accident with helicopters or small airplanes, never tons of gasoline descend trhu the building. This pure physics!

@luacheia

You said it as I understood it kinetic motion from weight above on weakened steel & concrete, then pancaking floor by floor to ground zero.

melted steel please ? only one thing can do that ?

@fozzybear,

Yes. Exactly!

@james,

It can! But it was not one thing. It was a group of factors.

I do not know if you know what is a techno floor.

In high buildings, are floors that are open spaces where are put ar condition selfs, hidraulic and eletrical centers, and a lot of others things.
Can you imagine in the middle of the building a lava cascade of a volcano and this invading these floors? It was what happen!
It happen exactly like @fozzy said above!

i know they can get a line and line of people to say that all so
you can lines and lines people to this ?
bottom line peolpe died and are dieing, a war started
more died !this is the end how many more need to die ?
hate is hate yes we can talk about the ,how, why,who
I know peolpe who died as long as we talk about this that and the other thing it should not happen again yes?

@nogsds9 you could have warned me that that link had pictures in it. I actually went and looked this up I did American studies at uni and didn't remember blame being apportioned or denied for that matter. The book i remember was The trail of tears it said that the native americans were given blankets because of the cold the tutor at the time (in my notes) said as uk vaccinated against smallpox the blankets could have unwittingly carried the virus, i.e. british would not have been affected by it , could have been carriers unknowingly. Guess we'll never know

@windsorboyd,
sorry,I didn't take notice of the picture,was held fast by the literature.
All is possible,I really don't think they had the knowledge of how it was transmitted back then.Who would know that the scabs that fell off victims could infect.
The intentional infection is well documented in the section about biological warfare.

@extralien,
Your way over the top with your conspiracy theory.
Nothing beats the truth.Would like to view your resource.

@james,

I agree with you. It never could have happened! Nothing justify terrorism! :-(

I tell you a thing.

As a Brazilian, some times, I have difficult to understand the arrogance and individualism that exists in the world.

We do not have this kind of experience!
If you read a little about Brazil, you will see that my country has really just one hundred and twenty years of history. Before this, this did not exist as a country, although have been %u2018discovered%u2019, in 1500, for Portugal.
We do not think of each other as afro Brazilian or Brazilian from the Italian colony or German colony or Japanese colony. A population of 190 million people! We are all Brazilians! Do not matters if you is the first generation of your family that born in Brazil. It is do not matter. You never will hear a Brazilian say: I am an Afro-Brazilian or an Asian-Brazilian.
We do not ask each other, what is your religion? It is do not matter.
We talk just one language, Brazilian Portuguese and we have a stable democracy. We have nuclear technology but never thought of building a nuclear bomb. We are excellent strategists, but if today we had an invasion, we would not have weapons enough for more than 15 minutes of war. :-)
Brazil has a big frontier and a lot of neighbors but never felt the need to fight with them. We do not interfere in the internal politics of another country and everything is resolved thru diplomacy or in organizations as ONU.

So, we do not have terrorism attacks, internal or external!

Peoples with hundreds or thousands of years of history fighting for things that would have happened the sets of ten or hundreds of years ago, fighting for meaningless things or greed. Bosnia and Serbia, Middle East, Chechnya and Russia, Israel and Palestine, China and Tibet, Koreas, Ireland, Spain, England and USA.

@nog

I believe all but a few in the known world had any idea of how transmission of a virus could be accomplished by using contaminated blankets.

Small Pox is caused by the poxvirus variolae.

EMedicine online retrieved tonight:

Pathophysiology: Smallpox is a double-stranded, 135- to 375-kilobase (kb) DNA virus that replicates in the cytoplasm of the host cell and forms B-type inclusion bodies (Guarnieri bodies), unlike herpes viruses, which replicate in the nucleus. The orthopoxviruses are among the largest and most complex of all viruses. The virion is brick-shaped with a diameter of approximately 200 nm.

The virus is transmitted mainly through the airborne route and adheres via droplet spread of viral particles onto the mucosal surfaces of the oropharyngeal and respiratory tract. This transmission occurs through close personal contact (eg, face-to-face within 6 ft, household contact) for extended periods. Respiratory spread over long distances (eg, from one hospital floor to another) has been reported. Exposure to clothing or blankets contaminated with infected material can also result in disease.

Smallpox has a lower transmission rate than measles, pertussis, and influenza. Transmission through casual and limited contact has been reported in military personnel. Although rare, airborne (ie, suspended viral particles) and fomite transmission can occur. Humans are the only natural hosts of variola; nonhuman animals and insects do not carry the variola virus. Pregnant women tend to develop hemorrhagic disease, but intrauterine infection occurs in even the mildest maternal infections, resulting in premature delivery and high fetal and neonatal mortality rates.

Implantation of just a few virions into the oropharynx or respiratory tracts can cause infection. The virus infects macrophages during the first 72 hours of the incubation phase. The virus migrates and multiplies in the regional lymph nodes, resulting in asymptomatic viremia by the fourth day. The virus multiplies in the spleen, bone marrow, and lymph nodes, resulting in a symptomatic secondary viremia (ie, fever, toxemia) by the eighth day. Finally, the virus re-enters the blood in leukocytes, producing fever and toxemia, and then passes from leukocytes to adjacent cells in small blood vessels of the dermis and beneath the oropharyngeal mucosa, leading to the initial onset of the enanthem and exanthem, at which point (approximately day 14) the patient becomes infectious.

The spleen, lymph nodes, kidneys, liver, bone marrow, and other viscera may also contain large amounts of virus. Incubation periods are typically 10-12 days but can range from 7-17 days. Intrauterine infections rarely occur and usually have shorter incubation periods. Patients exposed through routes other than the person-to-person respiratory route also have shorter incubation periods. Prior immunization, vaccinia immune globulin (VIG), and, possibly, antiviral chemotherapy may extend the incubation period.

Patients with smallpox are sometimes contagious upon the onset of fever (prodromal phase) but are most contagious upon rash onset. Infected persons are contagious until the last smallpox scab separates. The highest intensity of viral shedding is during the first 10 days of the rash. Infection rates among close contacts of infected persons have been reported to be between 37 and 88%. Survivors of natural infection acquire lifelong immunity.


Pathophysiology: Smallpox is a double-stranded, 135- to 375-kilobase (kb) DNA virus that replicates in the cytoplasm of the host cell and forms B-type inclusion bodies (Guarnieri bodies), unlike herpes viruses, which replicate in the nucleus. The orthopoxviruses are among the largest and most complex of all viruses. The virion is brick-shaped with a diameter of approximately 200 nm.

The virus is transmitted mainly through the airborne route and adheres via droplet spread of viral particles onto the mucosal surfaces of the oropharyngeal and respiratory tract. This transmission occurs through close personal contact (eg, face-to-face within 6 ft, household contact) for extended periods. Respiratory spread over long distances (eg, from one hospital floor to another) has been reported. Exposure to clothing or blankets contaminated with infected material can also result in disease.

Smallpox has a lower transmission rate than measles, pertussis, and influenza. Transmission through casual and limited contact has been reported in military personnel. Although rare, airborne (ie, suspended viral particles) and fomite transmission can occur. Humans are the only natural hosts of variola; nonhuman animals and insects do not carry the variola virus. Pregnant women tend to develop hemorrhagic disease, but intrauterine infection occurs in even the mildest maternal infections, resulting in premature delivery and high fetal and neonatal mortality rates.

Implantation of just a few virions into the oropharynx or respiratory tracts can cause infection. The virus infects macrophages during the first 72 hours of the incubation phase. The virus migrates and multiplies in the regional lymph nodes, resulting in asymptomatic viremia by the fourth day. The virus multiplies in the spleen, bone marrow, and lymph nodes, resulting in a symptomatic secondary viremia (ie, fever, toxemia) by the eighth day. Finally, the virus re-enters the blood in leukocytes, producing fever and toxemia, and then passes from leukocytes to adjacent cells in small blood vessels of the dermis and beneath the oropharyngeal mucosa, leading to the initial onset of the enanthem and exanthem, at which point (approximately day 14) the patient becomes infectious.

The spleen, lymph nodes, kidneys, liver, bone marrow, and other viscera may also contain large amounts of virus. Incubation periods are typically 10-12 days but can range from 7-17 days. Intrauterine infections rarely occur and usually have shorter incubation periods. Patients exposed through routes other than the person-to-person respiratory route also have shorter incubation periods. Prior immunization, vaccinia immune globulin (VIG), and, possibly, antiviral chemotherapy may extend the incubation period.

Patients with smallpox are sometimes contagious upon the onset of fever (prodromal phase) but are most contagious upon rash onset. Infected persons are contagious until the last smallpox scab separates. The highest intensity of viral shedding is during the first 10 days of the rash. Infection rates among close contacts of infected persons have been reported to be between 37 and 88%. Survivors of natural infection acquire lifelong immunity.

Come on, wouldn't a short summary and a link cited have sufficed?

yeah agree i got a sore scrolling finger now

just hit end and home to go back up

@curious
Over the top perhaps it appears to have copied twice
my apologies.

@fozzy...

And your point was? Just kidding..glad I got my advanced bio class today! Thanks :)

@rhettswife

I wanted to make sure that comments were factual, science based, trying to satisfy the Ferenge accuracy motto.

I copied the info twice *!!* my claws don't retract it's hell on the keyboard really!

@fozzy, you think you got problems.. when I arrived on this planet, it took me years to learn the language.. :-)

@extralien

Hows things in Bangkok area, immunizations going well?
politically whats happening there?

I've no idea. not been watching what's going on. been too busy doing other stuff, like watching firefly and writing in here and another place.

Immunizations...I wouldn't let one of those touch me with a platinum plated, solid gold syringe encrusted with 250 pink diamonds.

@jameshowden i did not know you could do that, I've been scrolling up and down these pages the last few days. (did know that end took you to the end of a line though)

I'm pretty sure that those keys go back before the creation of the mouse for use with early word processing programs.

I just read the report and I think I have small pox.

@singlew4

Look carefully, you can't get it by electronic mediums
No blanket trading here!

@singlew4

The only way to know for sure is to check the inner bowels of Uranus for peaks and valleys ;)

have fun doing that !

Something that courious has much experience at no doubt.

he`s got a point yes?

@nogds9

So now you're a Gay Pride Expert?

Thank goodness,you've got a sense of humor:)

how do you like my new avatar? That's my "You've gotta be kidding me, right?" Face ;)

oh thought it was some thing else?

Beats the last one,where are your ears.No Oo-Mox for you.)

Speaking of Gays, did anyone see this story last month:

"Pope Says Abortion, Gay Marriage Are 'Obstacles' to World Peace"

LOL, I have absolutely no idea what the one has to do with the other, can anyone explain it?

he sat on his (what`s that thing he carrys)

BTW you can find that story here:

"http://pewforum.org/news/display.php?NewsID=14597"

Anything that keeps them from flooding the world with more beings to eat the wafer and drink the blood is a sin.World domination through over population.

@nog

Ah yes the no birth control way of the Catholic Church.

Buzz Hargrove, President of the Canadian Auto Workers union in his book talked about how the Catholic church preached hard to the congregations encouraging large families. This provided cheap labour for Big Business and continued poverty for the have nots. This no doubt started his path for social justice in the labour movement.

hey i am a member of the 444 kmow buzz the world just gets smaller and smaller! WTO now there is some thing to talk about !

Isn't a little power very corrupting? On another thread I was asking about some of the sports that are not familiar to me that I read about here and have seen on the BBC (I live in the USA). A moderator came on to tell us this was not a fit subject for the site and to stop the discussion thread.

This is not a free speech matter IT IS TV.

if you were told ,than stop and take it up with him !
or chris not here please i am in enough hot water
it`s best you take it there .or @ use to say who you are talking to anything else glad to help sorry.

@fozzy,
At least you understand where your leaders are coming from.Here in the US,you've really got to read between the lines.And even then lies are dressed in truths.
Why should there be such division between parties?It's we the people that supply the labor so big business and government can rule us.A tree swaying back and forth eventually breaks.

About the catholic church:
I heard that the pope and the vatikan were shareholders in a company producing anti-baby-pills - now that's what I call speaking with a forked toungue!!!

@julinee
Seems strange they would do that, their go fourth and multiply phylosophy should help to get them lots more members thereby more money, probably more than they would get with investments in birth control pills. Mind you I guess you never know, but as they say it does pay to diversify.

If you want to end the war in the middle east only 2 solutions.
1) Send Paula Abdul and all of the American Ido; rejects over and have them sing, include Cindy Lauper as guest.

2) Get out and let them fight it out amongst themselves.

that would be funny if not true.

@EXTRALIEN

you quoted "f money did not exist, nobody would be poor. Money is one of the biggest lies we all live."

your absolutely wrong look at yourself now...you think you exist without money?...LOL
you just say that on a contradict and sense that u look world as is having a mess on money but no one will exist with money you yourself only think of your won idea not the whole people are absurd thinking of you to be honest..sorry but that is just a comment!EXTRALIEN
am not those rich or that have more money am just below class but i look the world fair ..so never blame the money..cause of that your here exist and still lived...

quted from u"We are born into this world through no choice of our own yet we are expected to follow the herd and do as we are told. " as yourself as of today as you grow old you think you your rule is right or you think you suggest or say the best things in world...??
you are just being judgmental...you allow yourself too deeply that you think the world to be blame nad the money its WITHIN YOURSELF that is wrong..dont blame the stuff in your sorrounding or your experiernce rule you cause not everybody is please and amaze of what your are saying...

ooh, someone struck a nerve, eh?

I heard that money is the root of all evil, I also heard that the meek shall inherit the Earth (It would make sense if you consider that the greedy and powerful will eventually destroy the world, and if anyone is left after that they would be quite meek indeed)

@kulia, I understand your opinion, but consider this;

Humans have been here on Earth for roughly 3 million years (according to historians and the like). We've only been using money for a few thousand years of the 3 million. Prior to that we apparently used a barter system which seems to have worked quite well.

Yes I do exist without money. We are all natural beings. Money is not natural. it is a product of our hands. A product that has been corrupted and is used to corrupt.

Everything from religions to gamblers to politicians to petty thieves or even the young kids constantly begging their parents for the latest techno gadget have all been corrupted by money.

Money used to actually be backed by the value of gold, yet we have forgotten why we hold a value on gold and money has not been supported by it since 1970.

Check this information out..
http://www.the-privateer.com/gold1.html
It's a very simple view on the problem with money.

I wonder how many families and individual lives have been destroyed by the greed of wanting gold/money. According to the bible, Jesus was sold for 30 pieces of silver..
Every week/month billions of people struggle to pay their bills. Rising prices are a deliberate move.

When you see a new device come out onto the market, its price is usually high. After a year or two, the price significantly drops. So why does the price of bread, a staple food for thousands of years, keep going up? The same for rice too.

Why are the two most basic foodstuffs known to man getting more and more expensive? They shouldn't be. You'd think that as a civilized society we would have found a way to feed everyone for very little or no cost. What more does a person really actually need after a days work than the comfort of family and friends and a plate of food.

Why are millions of people starving when the rest of the world are blinging their way to super media glamorous fame.

@extralien,didn't your mother tell you ,you would go blind playing with those conspiracy theories.
Also,you sound like a pretty smart guy,you would do well to take some anthropology courses at a local